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August 4, 2010

The case against the mosque at Ground Zero

John Hawkins has a round-up of excellent quotes opposing the mosque.

And as a reminder, no I still don’t hate Muslims, but thanks for asking.

Posted by Karol at 12:44 PM |
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‘Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion*, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof*; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.’

*with the exception of inconvenient groups.

Posted by: Capt. Oilybird at August 4, 2010 at 1:26 pm

I’m not asking the govt. to step in AT ALL.

Posted by: Karol at August 4, 2010 at 1:35 pm

I’m not asking the govt. to step in AT ALL.

Posted by: Karol at August 4, 2010 at 5:10 pm

The US government has the right to prohibit free speech of Al Qaeda members and sympathizers in America. The First Amendment does not protect our enemy in time of war. In WW2, we didn’t allow the German-American Bund to exist.

The Cordoba Initiative is a Muslim Brotherhood project. They share the goals of Bin Ladin. We have every right to ban their mosque as we do in banning CAIR, ISNA, and other Muslim Brotherhood projects.
The only thing stopping us is our suicidal liberalism and reliance on Arab oil.

Posted by: RonL at August 4, 2010 at 6:42 pm

“The only thing stopping us is our suicidal liberalism and reliance on Arab oil.”
Wrong. It’s the constitution.
Who next? Jews? Blacks?
What next? Guns?
This is bad road to walk down.

Posted by: Capt. Oilybird at August 4, 2010 at 8:17 pm

What next? Guns?

You realize this is NYC we’re talking about? Are you suggesting we apply the same rules to mosques we apply to guns?

Posted by: Eric at August 5, 2010 at 1:35 am

One argument I haven’t seen made from those who oppose the construction of that mosque is a religious one: The desecration of a grave site will not go unanswered. If you believe in divine retribution, then this provocation will result in catastrophe. Karol, you may not know about the history of Soviet attempts to construct over Babi Yar and I doubt that much has been reported on this. However, I recall hearing from older immigrants about a tragedy that resulted in many deaths when there was a construction attempt at Babi Yar in 1970’s. I would encourage you to ask your parents or grandparents if they recall any of the details.

Posted by: vinny at August 5, 2010 at 8:09 am

What next, wait, the 14th of course.
As to vinny, the scooby-doo villian angle was not one I had thunk of.

Posted by: Capt. Oilybird at August 5, 2010 at 1:02 pm

Capt. Oilybird,
Did you read what I wrote, or did you just automatically regurgitate standard liberal morally equivalent and factual incorrect bit of sophistry?

Blacks and Jews are not trying to take over this country. There is no Jewish Brotherood as the Fabians to a Bolshevik like Jewish “the Base”.
And guns are are regulated to the point of being all but impossible to have in NYC.

This isn’t about Muslims. It is about the a Muslim Brotherhood project.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-ground-zero-mosque-developer-muslim-brotherhood-roots-radical-dreams/?singlepage=true

The motto of the Muslim Brotherhood is “Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood
Al Qaeda is the outgrowth of Maktab al-Khadamat,
which was founded by the Muslim Brotherhood theologian Abdullah Yusuf Azzam.
Egyptian Islamic Jihad was formed by Muslim brotherhood members and merged with Al Qaeda.
So there damn well is a relationship.

Posted by: RonL at August 5, 2010 at 11:17 pm

Winny,
We should build a church there. One of the buildings wrecked in 9/11/01 was St. Nicholas Church http://www.goarch.org/special/september11/stnicholas)

Posted by: RonL at August 5, 2010 at 11:19 pm

Read it Ron, and all the conspiracy thoeries you can come up with don’t counter the constitution. They own the land. No more to be said.

Posted by: Capt. Oilybird at August 6, 2010 at 4:04 pm

Why can’t we hate Muslims? I have been hating them since they killed those marines in Beirut. I also hate them for what they did in Serbia. I hated them after 9/11. The list of why westerns should hate Muslims if almost endless.

Posted by: shunha at August 7, 2010 at 11:22 pm

The obvious compromise:

They can build it.

They have to come up with a name other than “Cordoba House.”

The groundbreaking must be done on a day other than September 11, 2011. (How about Columbus Day?)

Posted by: Joseph Hertzlinger at August 8, 2010 at 12:46 am

Capt Oilybird,
Do adjuncts of those with whom we are war have a right to operate in America? If you think they do, you are not only denying out nationhood, you are living in a reality utterly different than the one for which the Constitution was written. Treason, sedition, levying war on us are all crimes under the Constitution. Try reading it sometime before telling me what it says. Finally, as a nation we have historically gone beyond the Constitution in times of war to survive. So even if you were right, and you are not on the Constitution, my point still stands historically.

Posted by: RonL at August 9, 2010 at 5:14 pm

There is no proposal to build a mosque, and it’s not at Ground Zero.

Posted by: Capt. Oilybird at August 14, 2010 at 5:11 pm
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