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May 16, 2010

U.S apologizes to China for not letting Mexican illegal immigrants into Arizona

If that sounds ridiculous to you then you have not been paying attention.

Hat-tip Oddlane’s twitter.

Posted by Karol at 06:04 PM |
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China is very bad. Human right abuse is not ok if you do less than bad China. If you made 4 murders or 400, yu are still a serial killer.

Posted by: Spaniard at May 16, 2010 at 7:22 pm

Spaniard, is there a lot of lead in the water where you live?

Posted by: Eric at May 16, 2010 at 7:37 pm

Spaniard–and that inability to add is why people like you troll internet message boards rather than, you know, actually doing something. That’s okay–I hear there are learning centers that can teach you things like mathematics and logic.

Posted by: James at May 16, 2010 at 8:03 pm

Ha Ha, but I not hear any defence of USA, excepting for “They are worser!”. Are you democrats? I enquire this because this blog hated “Bush was worse!” as a defense in past time.

Posted by: Spaniard at May 17, 2010 at 5:19 am

Spaniard, do you not see the difference between not allowing people from other countries to illegally settle in your country and the wholesale slaughter of your own citizens.

Assuming you really are from Spain, let me ask you this: If I were Moroccan, could I come to Spain with no papers and no permission… just move to Barcelona and start working? Would that be okay, something you would support?

Posted by: Eric at May 17, 2010 at 5:39 am

eric, you do not see. Is one thing ok because it is less bad than another? Persons on this site are happy to compromise themselfs out of there rights and idealism

Posted by: Spaniard at May 17, 2010 at 8:22 am

I agrees! one thing not OK becuz uv wurst ideeocy. All stoopider peepel yunite!

Posted by: Spaniardier at May 17, 2010 at 8:51 am

Not to get technical here but the Ass’t Sec of State doesn’t actually apologize in that quote. Yes, its pathetic that he is even attempting to commiserate with the Chinese regarding human right’s policies but he’s not apologizing…

Posted by: The Rooster at May 17, 2010 at 10:23 am

He might have not use the word “sorry” but it was very apologetic:

QUESTION: Did the recently passed Arizona immigration law come up? And, if so, did they bring it up or did you bring it up?

ASSISTANT SECRETARY POSNER: We brought it up early and often. It was mentioned in the first session, and as a troubling trend in our society and an indication that we have to deal with issues of discrimination or potential discrimination, and that these are issues very much being debated in our own society.

Posted by: Karol at May 17, 2010 at 12:07 pm

Trainskrips r stoopid! RePUKEikans hav wurst trainskrips!

Posted by: Spaniardier at May 17, 2010 at 12:30 pm

Spaniard–the difference between the US and the Chinese is that we work to fix our human rights abuses when they are genuine (which, btw, the Arizona law is not). See the improvements in our prisons, the passage of the Civil Rights Act, etc., etc..

To use your analogy, we stopped killing people at 4 and started taking our meds. The Chinese, on the other hand, are not only skipping their anti-psychotic meds, but also remain utterly unapologetic about that school bus they torched with Molotov cocktails. Indeed, they are very open that they plan to commit arson at the nursing home next Friday.

Now, truth be told, I think the whole human rights thing is overblown, as it tries to impart Western views on other cultures. However, _if_ one is going to use that construct, then there is a vast, obvious difference between the United States and China as I noted above. Your mileage may vary, but so far all you’ve presented is the usual whining of “My country is not a player on the international scene so therefore I’m going to whine about how countries that actually have to do something go about their business.” Considering you guys had some fella named Franco in charge within living memory and were very supportive of both Pinochet and the Argentine junta I’d be really careful about tossing stones. Glaziers, after all, are expensive.

Posted by: James at May 17, 2010 at 2:19 pm

Spaniard, that was pretty evasive. I think I do see after all. Perhaps the Obama administration should apologize for Spain’s treatment of Moroccans the next time the subject comes up.

After all, is one thing ok because it’s less bad than another?

Posted by: Eric at May 17, 2010 at 3:58 pm

I’m fairly positive Spaniard is not from Spain.

Posted by: Karol at May 17, 2010 at 5:16 pm

Franco, communist, socialist, we have had all in the past.

Posted by: Spaniard at May 17, 2010 at 6:13 pm

Alright, this is a rather strange thread. All the same, thanks for the mention, Karol! However, I did get the link from Yid with Lid’s blogspot. A very cool weblog with lots of interesting breaking news, FWIW.

Posted by: Gerard at May 17, 2010 at 8:46 pm

Oops, I see you’ve linked to him above. My mistake.

Anyway, it’s a great blog to read, especially if you’re looking for interesting stuff to follow on Twitter.

Posted by: Gerard at May 17, 2010 at 8:47 pm

“spaniard,” ¿quieres hablar de “human rights”?

Espero (per no contendré la respiración) tu disculpa personal para todos las atrocidades que tus compatriotas hicieron a mis antepasados filipinos. Entonces podemos hablar de los Estados Unidos.

Pero como hablé, no contendré la respiración.

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at May 18, 2010 at 12:35 pm

Yes Perry, all me faults

Posted by: Spaniard at May 19, 2010 at 3:36 pm

Hay diferencia entre decir y decir con sinceridad.

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at May 19, 2010 at 10:42 pm

Agreed, but you will have to satisfy yourself with what you have.

Posted by: Spaniard at May 20, 2010 at 5:55 am

No, no tengo que aceptarlo. Gracias para demonstrar mi punto, hipócrita.

Since it’s now obvious you’re not Spanish and don’t speak the language, I’ll just make it easier on you and continue in English from now on.

Are you the national clown of your country or something, that you make such ridiculous statements about the United States? Let’s get back to the original point. You say “less bad” is “not ok,” but you ignore the huge degree of difference. The U.S. is not perfect, but it’s a damn sight better than other countries you should focus on.

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at May 20, 2010 at 2:50 pm

Perry, is it better to look to be best, and not be happy with just better?
Again I ask: I live next house to Shrek, does it manke me Adonis?
Can my english improve? Or should I settle with what I speak like now?

Posted by: Spaniard at May 20, 2010 at 3:31 pm

Your analogy is absurd because you’re using the opposite direction. Your analogy would be correct if it were about a person of average looks apologizing for being so ugly to Shrek.

So where are all the “human rights violations” in the United States? Do you mean the prisoners executed en masse for organ transplants? The demonstrations that are crushed with tanks and troops? A single permitted political party?

No one ever complained about your eenglees, and I’ve already invited you to write back in your own language, “spaniard.” But then again…you already are.

Stop faking, pendejo. You’re as transparent as glass.

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at May 21, 2010 at 9:32 am

“No one ever complained about your eenglees, and I’ve already invited you to write back in your own language, “spaniard.” But then again…you already are.

Stop faking, pendejo. You’re as transparent as glass.”

Good lord, this again?

Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 21, 2010 at 3:02 pm

“Your analogy is absurd because you’re using the opposite direction. Your analogy would be correct if it were about a person of average looks apologizing for being so ugly to Shrek.”

You’re not paying enough attention. Spaniard is not writing about the “Obama apologizes” faux-outrage. He’s writing about your need to excuse problems with the United States strictly on the basis of that fact that they are not as severe as other countries’ problems, as witness the following:

“Espero (per no contendré la respiración) tu disculpa personal para todos las atrocidades que tus compatriotas hicieron a mis antepasados filipinos. Entonces podemos hablar de los Estados Unidos.”

“Let’s get back to the original point. You say “less bad” is “not ok,” but you ignore the huge degree of difference. The U.S. is not perfect, but it’s a damn sight better than other countries you should focus on.”

Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 21, 2010 at 3:08 pm

Good lord, this again?

Oh, so to claim something he’s not is fine with you? I should sign off “jamaican” on my posts, and you’d see nothing wrong with misrepresenting myself? Since you are a KNOWN LIAR, this isn’t surprising.

Here’s a free clue about something you don’t know about: he doesn’t appear to be in Spain, and he clearly doesn’t speak Spanish. So just cierra la boca about things you don’t know anything about, and volver a leaving the adults alone, mmk?

The original caballo se muró from the beginning, because we cleared that up right away. Only liberal idiot fucktards like you and spaniard could put the United States anywhere near the same level as China when it comes to human rights. Where are the tanks crushing Americans? The slave labor gulags? Tell us why the hell WE should be apologizing to THEM for our “human rights record”?

Like I said, he ignores the huge degree of difference. You don’t seem to understand that plain English, so you want me to put that in Spanish too?

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at May 24, 2010 at 2:25 pm

“Only liberal idiot fucktards like you and spaniard could put the United States anywhere near the same level as China when it comes to human rights.”

Neither one of us did. At least, I know I didn’t. Your reading of the situation, however, is that–since China’s record is so bad–our record must perforce be pristine. At the very least, our record, whatever it is, may not be mentioned.

That’s how you roll. Fine. I personally feel that I need to worry about my own messes first and the neighbor’s messes second.

Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 24, 2010 at 2:29 pm

Neither one of us did. At least, I know I didn’t.

He said, “Human right abuse is not ok if you do less than bad China. If you made 4 murders or 400, yu are still a serial killer.” So he’s accusing the United States of human rights abuse. Do you agree or disagree? You can say now that you agree, but he never denied. He’s had plenty of opportunity to reply in what he purports to be his own language.

Where are the tanks? Our slave gulags? Is that comparable to men who — Allah forbid! — had panties put on their head? Oh, I’m the first to say we have a problem, and it stems from the very fact that there’s a government with the impunity to act like this, when our own CIA can kidnap a guy (Egypt, I think?), interrogate him in Macedonia, then dump him on the street after deciding he was innocent after all. But it’s a far cry from what China’s government does.

Your reading of the situation, however, is that–since China’s record is so bad–our record must perforce be pristine. At the very least, our record, whatever it is, may not be mentioned.

It’s you who’s putting words into my mouth, as usual. “The U.S. is not perfect, but it’s a damn sight better than other countries you should focus on.”

Oh wait, it was that Korean guy who said that, wasn’t it!

That’s how you roll. Fine. I personally feel that I need to worry about my own messes first and the neighbor’s messes second.

That’s not what’s happening here. This is our “representative” apologizing to a Superfund site for a couple of weeds in our yard.

Now, in the other thread, he never did protest my accusation. “Give it up, bucko. You speak Spanish like I speak Japanese.” In hindsight, that may not be true. I probably know more Japanese words (not to mention the etiquette in addressing my Japanese colleagues of various degrees of rank) than he knows Spanish.

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at May 24, 2010 at 3:07 pm

Wow! Your last few comments were a veritable shotgun blast of Perry shtick. Impressive! You gave us the “I don’t believe that you say who you are,” the “you’re a KNOWN LIAR,” the “leave the adults alone,” the Internet Tough Guy, the World’s Expert, the insecure namecalling, and more!

In order to forestall your deployment of the tried-and-true “answer the fookin’ question,” I’ll say that I agree with the premise that the United States sometimes abuses human rights.

So do you. You just described a situation–extraordinary rendition–in which it happens. And the idea that you would reduce this outrage to “putting panties on their head” says more about you than you probably intend.

The fact that China perpetrates more human rights abuse than the United States does not mean that the U.S. is blameless; the fact that the United States is a “damn sight better than other countries” does not, believe it or not, mean that we should focus entirely on the abuses of those other countries. The fact that my own kid gets in less trouble than some other kids doesn’t mean that I ignore the fact that he’s getting in trouble, for crying out loud; he’s my kid, and I’m responsible for shaping his behavior.

And now I’m going to pull a Perry. You say that Obama was “apologizing” to China for U.S. behavior. Please deliver up a quote in which he says “I apologize” or “I’m sorry” or “lo siento” or “mea culpa” or shut the hell up and stop putting words in his mouth. If you can’t find a quote in which he directly apologizes, then I can only assume that you are lying, as usual. Oh, and I’ll stick a “bubba” in there, just to cap off the Eidelbusian goodness.

By the way: I don’t give a good goddamn whether you sign your posts “jamaican” or “indonesian” or “sane” or any other descriptor that doesn’t cover your actual situation. I’m neither a doctor nor a washboard–such is life on the Internet.

Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 25, 2010 at 8:34 am

Wow! Your last few comments were a veritable shotgun blast of Perry shtick. Impressive! You gave us the “I don’t believe that you say who you are,” the “you’re a KNOWN LIAR,” the “leave the adults alone,” the Internet Tough Guy, the World’s Expert, the insecure namecalling, and more!

And the beauty of it is not even that it’s all true, but you continually come here to present yourself as more cannon fodder.

“spaniard” is simply not what he claims to be, and now that he’s exposed, he seems to have disappeared. Pseudonyms are one thing, but an adjective (particularly of nationality) implies being that. Honesty would preclude, for example, you posting as “Handsome intelligent guy.”

You’re such a hypocrite. You’d be criticizing any non-liberal for signing off as “infantryman” or “Marine” if it weren’t true.

And since you bring it up, if you ever want to test your mettle, you just let me know, and I’ll drive up the next time I’m over in Sonoma/Napa. You think I only talk tough? That goon hasn’t dared to show his face in a year, and you wouldn’t either.

“Internet Tough Guy”…that’s an insult from someone who won’t even post his real name?

In order to forestall your deployment of the tried-and-true “answer the fookin’ question,” I’ll say that I agree with the premise that the United States sometimes abuses human rights.

Don’t you feel just the tiniest bit pathetic that the only times you’re right are when you agree with me?

So do you. You just described a situation–extraordinary rendition–in which it happens. And the idea that you would reduce this outrage to “putting panties on their head” says more about you than you probably intend.

Actually I never compared the two. I’m presenting the Abu Ghraib “outrage” as why the rest of the world thinks we abuse human rights, while ignoring the real cases — though again, it’s a far cry from what China does. Read this part as many times as you need: why should we have to apologize to them for what we do?

China abuses every last one of its people, every day of their lives. One political party, one life for the state, one child. China doesn’t have Kent State because the people are too scared, knowing Kent State could easily happen a thousand times every day.

The fact that China perpetrates more human rights abuse than the United States does not mean that the U.S. is blameless;

And I never said our government was.

the fact that the United States is a “damn sight better than other countries” does not, believe it or not, mean that we should focus entirely on the abuses of those other countries. The fact that my own kid gets in less trouble than some other kids doesn’t mean that I ignore the fact that he’s getting in trouble, for crying out loud; he’s my kid, and I’m responsible for shaping his behavior.

This is not the issue, and you know it. You just want to lie and be deliberately obstinate about the issue, don’t you.

This is a parent of a minor miscreant apologizing for his child to the parents of a mass murderer. It’s firstly absurd because of the huge degree of difference, when China’s infamous gulags make CIA detention look like Club Med. Secondly, neither side is committing abuses toward each other, so the apology is unnecessary.

And now I’m going to pull a Perry. You say that Obama was “apologizing” to China for U.S. behavior.

Wrong. I never said any such thing. Check it out: I never said Obama, because unlike you, I can read.

You didn’t pull a “Perry.” You pulled yet another “Washboard,” which is to make a lie because you know your argument (and brains) are utter bird shit.

Please deliver up a quote in which he says “I apologize” or “I’m sorry” or “lo siento” or “mea culpa” or shut the hell up and stop putting words in his mouth. If you can’t find a quote in which he directly apologizes, then I can only assume that you are lying, as usual. Oh, and I’ll stick a “bubba” in there, just to cap off the Eidelbusian goodness.

Lying as usual? That’s you, not me. Your record is pretty poor, silly little boy, for you to accuse.

So show me where I’ve lied. I’d show you where you did, but I already have, every single time.

Posner said in addition to talks on freedom of religion and expression, labor rights and rule of law, officials also discussed Chinese complaints about problems with U.S. human rights, which have included crime, poverty, homelessness and racial discrimination.

He said U.S. officials did not whitewash the American record and in fact raised on its own a new immigration law in Arizona that requires police to ask about a person’s immigration status if there is suspicion the person is in the country illegally.

An apology doesn’t need “I apologize” to be an apology. Not only did Posner and his staff accept the Chinese government’s “complaints,” they added to the laundry list.

So there you have it. You can now shuddafuggup, bubba.

By the way: I don’t give a good goddamn whether you sign your posts “jamaican” or “indonesian” or “sane” or any other descriptor that doesn’t cover your actual situation. I’m neither a doctor nor a washboard–such is life on the Internet.

Because you haven’t enough brains to be a doctor, yes, we already could tell. You’re just a liar, and dealing with the likes of you is part of the WWW.

But you call it “life on the Internet” — “on”? The rest of us live on planet Earth, not “on the Internet.” Perhaps if you joined us sometime in the real world, you’d do better.

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at May 25, 2010 at 2:50 pm

“And since you bring it up, if you ever want to test your mettle, you just let me know, and I’ll drive up the next time I’m over in Sonoma/Napa. You think I only talk tough? That goon hasn’t dared to show his face in a year, and you wouldn’t either.”

Whoa! Maybe “Internet Tough Guy” was too hasty! I should have held out for “Stalky Stalkerson.” I have no idea what goon you’re talking about, and I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that you don’t either.

Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 26, 2010 at 8:18 am

Whoa! Maybe “Internet Tough Guy” was too hasty! I should have held out for “Stalky Stalkerson.”

“Stalky Stalkerson”? I’ve never heard that before. It must be what other children called you…in second grade…by which time you were already 12?

Your bluff got called, bucko. If you’re too cowardly, as we already know you to be, then perhaps you should just keep yer trap shut. You’d fit right in with the Chinese government, though, accusing others of your own sins.

I have no idea what goon you’re talking about, and I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that you don’t either.”

Has there ever been a day you didn’t lie to others, or even yourself? Of course you don’t know what I’m talking about. Sure, sure, keep telling yourself that. It was only the first time you started infecting my own blog with your drivel. Or perhaps your memory is just that poor? It would explain how you’ve convinced yourself you aren’t the liar we all know you to be.

And to pull a “Washboard” in another way, you have no rebuttal to everything else. Are you going to give up again and go back to your room, or do you wish to continue presenting yourself as cannon fodder?

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at May 26, 2010 at 11:26 am

Sorry Perry for making you inflamed. If first had I read your blog I would know how mad you are being. Mad like bull goaded is mad. I not guess the danger to your mind and heart. As my colleage might say:
Ydych yn achos meddwl. Eich dicter bydd un diwrnod niwed i chi. Efallai y dylech roi’r gorau i postio yn gyfan gwbl, er mwyn eich iechyd ac i atal yr ydych yn edrych mor wallgof. Bygythiadau i bobl eraill yn dangos y cyflwr eich meddwl.

Posted by: Spaniard at May 27, 2010 at 2:12 am

Welsh, huh. You might as well be speaking to yourself. That’s why St. Paul essentially ranked last the gift of speaking in tongues: “Porque el que habla en lenguas no habla a los demás sino a Dios. En realidad, nadie le entiende lo que dice, pues habla misterios por el Espíritu. En cambio, el que profetiza habla a los demás para edificarlos, animarlos y consolarlos. El que habla en lenguas se edifica a sí mismo; en cambio, el que profetiza edifica a la iglesia.”

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at May 27, 2010 at 4:41 pm

“Has there ever been a day you didn’t lie to others, or even yourself? Of course you don’t know what I’m talking about. Sure, sure, keep telling yourself that. It was only the first time you started infecting my own blog with your drivel. Or perhaps your memory is just that poor?”

What the hell are you talking about?

Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 27, 2010 at 11:19 pm

Yes, keep playing ignorant. Stick your head in the sand some more. Next thing we know, you’ll deny having ever seen my blog.

Come back when you live in reality, ok bubba?

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at May 28, 2010 at 12:50 pm

“Yes, keep playing ignorant. Stick your head in the sand some more. Next thing we know, you’ll deny having ever seen my blog.

Come back when you live in reality, ok bubba?”

Ah, the ubiquitous “bubba.” It still gives me a boner every time you whip it out, sweet cheeks.

Apparently my first visit to your blog made more of an impression on you than it did on me. I still have no idea about the identity of “that goon” you write about who “hasn’t dared to show his face in a year” because you do so much more than talk tough. Refresh my memory…?

Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 28, 2010 at 6:38 pm

Ah, the ubiquitous “bubba.” It still gives me a boner every time you whip it out, sweet cheeks.

Oh good lord, so it’s confirmed: you’re another of my homo stalkers.

Apparently my first visit to your blog made more of an impression on you than it did on me. I still have no idea about the identity of “that goon” you write about who “hasn’t dared to show his face in a year” because you do so much more than talk tough. Refresh my memory…?

Why should I? You can find it for yourself. Just follow your slimy trail.

Coincidentally, I saw Guido last Friday. I don’t know if he saw me in that particular car of the train and decided to sit next to me, or whether it was happenstance. Either way, it was quite funny in that he couldn’t have been any more polite, or quiet. So much for “I’m going to get you when you least expect it.” As I said, the way to deal with cowards is to call them out.

You had several days while I was away, and this was the best you could do?

Posted by: Perry Eidelbus at June 4, 2010 at 3:14 pm
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