Posted by Karol at 10:00 PM
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Wai…WHAT? I mean, I understand there’s a little bad blood there (and for good reason–Mers El Kabir, what?), but seriously this is really bad form.
The poor Brits are feeling snubbed all over these days. It’s only when you’ve lost the greatest empire the world has ever seen, and along with it the power to send troops to redress this sort of insult that you find out what people really think of you.
Apparently Sarkozy faaaaahts in their general direction.
Don’t much care, but Queen Elizabeth, then Princess Elizabeth was in uniform as a driver during that war, and her husband was a Naval Officer. THAT to me is the reason this is pretty badly handled.
The trouble is with the French is that they are assumed to be being arrogant when they probably just messed up. It’s easier (and lazier) to call them high-handed. I am fairly certain most people belong to a group or two easily (and wrongly) labelled for others about one thing or another.
bryan is a sad chap.
Whenever someone on his team sets off a bomb among civilians, or screws up the handling of a D-Day Commemorative event, he always brushes it off with a simple justification.
His justification sometimes involves blaming the victim for actually seeking accountability about it.
But when someone on the other team does something he finds objectionable, he writhes in agony, tearing his hair out, screaming in incomprehension about how an uncaring world sits silently while such an “atrocity” is tolerated.
But it doesn’t just stop there—since bryan subscribes to collectivism, he holds entire nations, groups, and (non-Islamic) religions guilty for the alleged transgression for decades…centuries, even.
But read carefully…bryan admits he doesn’t much care about the Queen being left out of the D-Day Commemoration.
bryan is a British citizen, and the British made enormous human sacrifices in the D-Day Invasion in order to thwart Hitler…but bryan admits he doesn’t much care about properly honoring Britain’s sacrifices on that bloody, heroic day.
Oh dear Walrus, perhaps if you’d read more carefully, you’d have also noticed why I don’t care much about the royal family. Both of my parents were born in Dublin. I have two great uncles who were killed in 1916 one fighting for the British at the Somme, the other by the British and accused of being a looter by the infamous Black and Tans. Members of my family (including myself) have served in the UK, even though they (and I) could have used Irish neutrality/citizenship as an excuse not to do so.
I feel no slavish devotion to the monarchy, so don’t care that they aren’t going. I do care that 2 figureheads of the country who were around at the time were overlooked. Sorry that it was too complicated for you to figure out.
I think your problem with me is my not buying into your brand of ‘This is good (and therefore beyond criticism)’ thinking. Sorry, but there’s more grey in the world than black and white. Try going AFK and experiencing stuff. Go outside your comfort zone a little before you start on with your gospel-like opinions.
In all seriousness, of course nobody cares about the queen as an individual. Well, maybe a few people do, but you know what I mean. She’s the head of state. A snub to a head of state is a snub to the people of that country, at least it has been traditionally. It seems odd – surely the French, like the US, have protocol officers and such to prevent an oversight. So what explains Obama’s shoddy treatment of the British PM and this latest thing by the French.
It’s almost like the British government is doing something France and the US are upset about, but it’s something nobody can talk about openly. Is Brown playing games in the currency markets or something along those lines?
bryan, you’re certainly a peculiar lad.
You are a citizen of Britain, yet you admit you don’t care about the appropriate commemoration of the enormous human sacrifices which Britain made in defeating Hitler. Many people feel that appropriate commemoration would include having the Queen there.
You know, especially since she was the only one among the heads of state who actually served during the war.
You’re the one who said you don’t care—now, I realize you’re a socialist, but do nut up and take ownership of your own words.
On a regular basis, I do find it amusing to read your casual, yet predictable simple justifications for Team Jihad—in other words, you excuse their behavior.
On the other hand, you use tortured logic when blaming western civ/America/Israel/Britain/Jesus Christ/Easter Bunny/The Jonas Brothers/Halliburton/CocaCola/Cabbage Patch Kids for being responsible for the existential plight of the latest bumper-sticker “victim.”
As far as black & white VS shades of grey, I assert that some things are black & white, while there are some things which are shades of grey.
The trick is recognizing which is which.
And that’s where you lack eyesight, foresight, and hindsight.
When things are grey, you argue they are black & white. When things are black & white, you argue they are grey.
Of course, that just means you’re a predictable lefty.
Shut it you bunch of septic fuds.
You are not a walrus by the way. You are quite clearly a complete fucking dick (black and white enough for you asspiece?).
And Bryan, why the fuck do you even bother trying to argue with these fuckwits like some over reasonable flid?
Actually, why the fuck do I even bother reading this shit? Life is indeed too short.
I think Sarkozy is a Jacobite and does not want to honor the Hanoverians. Bring back the Stuarts!
I’m an American and I don’t care all that much about this apparent ’snub’ – bryan’s remark about the matter was reasonable and considerate.
Of course, my grandfathers and my great uncles battled the British in the 1920’s Irish war of independence – then they came to America, which was famous for kicking royalty out (and keeping them out).
Walrus, why should British citizens or Americans get riled up about fussy Euro-protocol issues? There was supposed to be a political meeting after the ceremony. The Queen has no political power, she’s just decorative, so why should she have been directly invited?
Urbane Meercat, does screaming profanities at people from a safe distance successfully release your tension ?
Urbane, thank you for that.
Walrus, you haven’t read my posts, or can’t understand them. I’ve never read any actual opinion on matters from you (calling someone names because you think they’re wrong (without explaining why) doesn’t count).
Maybe you should try saying something that deserves any sort of response. Knob’ead.
After the war, Charles De Gaulle wrote the British out and played up the American contribution (not saying it wasn’t big, but there were also a lot of others too). He refused UK entry into the Common Market (now the EU).
Considering the help he had from the British during the war, he seems a bit ungrateful, but remember his mentor said “Germany is the enemy number one, Britain the enemy number one b”.