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September 7, 2006

Why I hate them

A new site offers a photo montage of why ‘they’ hate ‘us’ (’they’ being the terrorists and ‘us’ being Americans, I assume).

It includes pictures of obese women, American flag flip-flops, college girls doing beer bongs, Condoleeza Rice, Jerry Falwell, Tori Spelling, Rush Limbaugh, illegal immigration protesters, a man shooting a gun, and a family vacationing at Disneyland wearing t-shirts with Mickey Mouse as breasts.

Hipster site Stay Free showcases one of the photographs, a man holding a sign that says ‘Get A Brain, Morans’ though a commenter points out that the sign is not a misspelling but actually a jab at supporters of Jim Moran, Congressman from Virginia. Oh c’mon, if facts don’t stop don’t stop Moran from Israel-hating, surely they shouldn’t stop anyone from America-hating.

Anyway, looking through the pictures made me more patriotic than ever. I think Jerry Falwell is a moron but he’s a moron that calls a teletubby gay, not one that incites people to murder like some of his Muslim counterparts. If Falwell is as radical as we get, well that’s fine with me. It’s easier to point and laugh at someone when you know you won’t be beheaded for it. The rest of the photos are just as retarded. Fat women? They hate us because our women are fat? They hate us because our college girls drink beer?

The site is just photography but it makes its point loud and clear: Americans have things about them worth hating by our enemies. The fact that these things are so innocuous should matter but won’t to the sort of people who think this is the epitome of cleverness.

On a sort of sidenote, this thought occurred to me today: we’re so concerned with winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqis, and of Muslims everywhere. But seeing the dispiritedness of my soldier friends in Iraq I’ve been thinking that it will be so much worse for the Muslim world, and specifically for Iraqis if they lose our hearts and minds. I’m guessing they won’t be putting up ‘Why they hate us’ websites featuring babies dressed in fatigues posing with guns, terrorists hiding behind civilians, gay people being publicly hung, women being beaten for offenses like driving. But those reasons are better than Tori Spelling any day of the week.

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anti-semetic side note (unrelated to this guy Moran)
Is it anti-semetic to say/think that Jewish people who support Isreal are happy* that the U.S. is in Iraq because they (JpwsI) feel that the U.S. commitment in the middle-east vis a vis Iraq makes Israel safer. Safer through the removal of Saddam (Scud attacks on Israel) and in the event of MAJOR** escalation of fighting between the anti-Israels (Iran, Syria…Egypt?) and Israel occurs serious U.S. firepower is in the region or acts as a deterent to said escalation.
*Happy content that Israel is safer not happy that there is a war/killing.
** I know Israel doesn’t need the help of the U.S. they fought against 42 countries 86 times..
Thanks in Advance,
Dan “Mel” the Democrat

Posted by: dan the Democrat at September 7, 2006 at 12:02 pm

Jim Moran (no “s”). His supporters are Morans.

Posted by: Joe Grossberg at September 7, 2006 at 12:11 pm

Fixed.

Posted by: Karol at September 7, 2006 at 12:12 pm

Dan:
My opinion is: not always, but possibly.
One thing we need to take into account is context. There is an extensive historical tradition of treating Jews as controlling the world and manipulating others.
And this accusation follows that pattern, especially coupled with the notion that not only are Jews somehow beneficiaries of US foreign policy, but that they had a hand (via AIPAC, the Mossad, the media, whatever) in directing it from behind the scenes.

Posted by: Joe Grossberg at September 7, 2006 at 1:04 pm

People are not listening:
Bin Laden has stated many times his reasons for hating America.
His number one reason is that we are not a Moslem nation.
His number two reason is our American entertainment industry. He hates that America exports films full of sex and violence.
His number three reason is American women dress like whores.
His number four reason is that American women:
1. Are allowed to go in public without wearing a burhka.
2. Are allowed to hold a job.
3. Are allowed to go in public without being accompanied by a man.
Bin Laden feels that all of the above corrupts Moslem women and ruins Moslem culture. He has stated no other reasons for hating America.
So this web site lists the reasons the left hates America.

Posted by: Jake at September 7, 2006 at 1:33 pm

“So this web site lists the reasons the left hates America.”
Hit the nail exactly on the head, Jake.

Posted by: Karol at September 7, 2006 at 1:37 pm

“Bin Laden feels that all of the above corrupts Moslem women and ruins Moslem culture. He has stated no other reasons for hating America. ”
Not true Jake, you stated why conservative Muslims hate Western Culture.
Osama loved getting U.S. support for his side fighting to get the Russians out of Afghanistan.
His 2 main reasons for attacking the U.S. in my opinion:
1. U.S. troops/ships/people on Arab soil
2. U.S. support for Israel
Obviously the guy is loony-tunes to boot but these 2 items are what galvinizes the Muslims against the United States and Osama’s greatest recruiting tools.

Posted by: dan the Democrat at September 7, 2006 at 3:01 pm

Dan, pre-9/11, bin Laden never once mentioned Israel. It was all about ‘infidel troops in the land of Allah’.

Posted by: Karol at September 7, 2006 at 3:04 pm

Dan:
I am talking about Bin Laden’s statements before 9/11. The reasons I listed are the ones he gives for starting Al Qaida and his attacks all through the 1990s. This is not my opinion these are Bin Laden’s statements. Consequently, these are the true reasons our lives are in danger.
Your reasons are only Bin Laden’s war propaganda to win over Western media to his side. And that propaganda has been amazingly successful

Posted by: Jake at September 7, 2006 at 3:25 pm

Peter Arnett, Afghanistan 1997.
REPORTER: Mr. Bin Ladin, you’ve declared a jihad against the United States. Can you tell us why? And is the jihad directed against the US government or the United States’ troops in Arabia? What about US civilians in Arabia or the people of the United States?
BIN LADIN: We declared jihad against the US government, because the US government is unjust, criminal and tyrannical. It has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal whether directly or through its support of the Israeli occupation of the Prophet’s Night Travel Land (Palestine). And we believe the US is directly responsible for those who were killed in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq. The mention of the US reminds us before everything else of those innocent children who were dismembered, their heads and arms cut off in the recent explosion that took place in Qana (in Lebanon). This US government abandoned even humanitarian feelings by these hideous crimes. It transgressed all bounds and behaved in a way not witnessed before by any power or any imperialist power in the world. They should have been considerate that the qibla (Mecca) of the Muslims upheaves the emotion of the entire Muslim World. Due to its subordination to the Jews the arrogance and haughtiness of the US regime has reached, to the extent that they occupied the qibla of the Muslims (Arabia) who are more than a billion in the world today. For this and other acts of aggression and injustice, we have declared jihad against the US, because in our religion it is our duty to make jihad so that God’s word is the one exalted to the heights and so that we drive the Americans away from all Muslim countries. As for what you asked whether jihad is directed against US soldiers, the civilians in the land of the Two Holy Places (Saudi Arabia, Mecca and Medina) or against the civilians in America, we have focused our declaration on striking at the soldiers in the country of The Two Holy Places. The country of the Two Holy Places has in our religion a peculiarity of its own over the other Muslim countries. In our religion, it is not permissible for any non-Muslim to stay in our country. Therefore, even though American civilians are not targeted in our plan, they must leave. We do not guarantee their safety, because we are in a society of more than a billion Muslims. A reaction might take place as a result of US government’s hitting Muslim civilians and executing more than 600 thousand Muslim children in Iraq by preventing food and medicine from reaching them. So, the US is responsible for any reaction, because it extended its war against troops to civilians. This is what we say. As for what you asked regarding the American people, they are not exonerated from responsibility, because they chose this government and voted for it despite their knowledge of its crimes in Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and in other places and its support of its agent regimes who filled our prisons with our best children and scholars. We ask that may God release them.

Posted by: dan the Democrat at September 7, 2006 at 3:38 pm

Jake I hear ya man. He’s invoking the Muslim right wing to fight. Not to disimilar to the way the Republicans challenge everyones Patriotism when they say they are opposed to their view or invoke 9/11 when they can try and get support for invading Iraq.
Obviously on a much different scale like loonie Islamic Psychos and kids glove democracy actions.

Posted by: dan the Democrat at September 7, 2006 at 3:41 pm

I guess I should have paraphrased Karol can u chop that post down to the part where Osama says he’s attacking the U.S. because of support for Isreal (amongst other things). Thanks.

Posted by: dan the Democrat at September 7, 2006 at 3:42 pm

This is a good quote
“BIN LADIN: Mentioning the name of Clinton or that of the American government provokes disgust and revulsion.”
U “Con’s” have something in common with that nut… hahaha

Posted by: dan the Democrat at September 7, 2006 at 3:49 pm

“BIN LADIN: Mentioning the name of Clinton or that of the American government provokes disgust and revulsion.”
So the Clinton Administration’s policies WERE responsible for 9/11 after all!

Posted by: Mark at September 7, 2006 at 4:11 pm

His 2 main reasons for attacking the U.S. in my opinion:
1. U.S. troops/ships/people on Arab soil
2. U.S. support for Israel

Osama attacked the US because he and other Islamist state-funded paramilitaries are at war with us. When war starts, motives don’t matter – the only relevant facts are the enemy’s strengths and weaknesses. The only way we can stop them from being at war with us by defeating them. That’s war 101.
It’s been five years since the ‘why do they hate us’ routine started, and it’s as pointless as it ever was. Did the French ask ‘why do they hate us’ when the Nazis attacked? The the Chinese respond to the Rape of Nanking by asking why the Japanese hated them? Did the Romans ask that when the Visigoths sacked their cities?
The ‘why do they hate us’ question (and the ‘why they hate us’ site) are signs of an unprecedented nadir in the intellectual development of man, a basic inability to understand the basic principles of survival and war that were common knowledge when we were worshipping trees and painting ourselves blue. I just wonder who first asked it..?
The question of ‘why does the left hate us?’ is a good one though. I don’t think America will ever be able to win the Left’s hearts and minds.

Posted by: mary at September 7, 2006 at 4:36 pm

To Know your enemy you must become your enemy.
That’s war 101.

Posted by: dan the Democrat at September 7, 2006 at 5:30 pm

To Know your enemy you must become your enemy
We became Nazis in order to know how to defeat them? Did we also become communists? Redcoats?
Could you explain that in a way that makes sense?

Posted by: mary at September 7, 2006 at 5:36 pm

Mary,
It’s a quote by Sun Tzu and the title of a book by Oliver North. “Why They hate us” or “Why we were attacked” is very important to 1 win the war and 2. prevent future wars.
“Sun Tzu taught his men to “know your enemy” before going into battle. For if “you know your enemy and know yourself,” he wrote, “you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.” But, Sun Tzu warned, “If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat.” ”
How to we get the Arabs to declare Jihad against Al-Qada, how do we get the Muslims to believe they go to heaven by fostering liberty and equality. How can we train them to be effective soldiers,policeman and parents. The US army can defeat any conventional force, but until we can remove the grip the Terrorists have over the people the US will never win the war on terror. Osama’s like Robin Hood to these people. The Democrats are all over Bush admin. failures to accomplish this PR battle and politics is turning out to be the main enemy of the war. Watch.

Posted by: dan the Democrat at September 7, 2006 at 5:57 pm

“Sun Tzu taught his men to “know your enemy” before going into battle. For if “you know your enemy and know yourself,” he wrote, “you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.” But, Sun Tzu warned, “If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat.”
“Know your enemy” means that you should understand your enemy’s strengths and weaknesses; understand their strategy. Arab/Muslim nations have been waging war, not just against us, but against Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, Communists, and Europeans. A decades-long Arab Muslim campaign of ethnic cleansing, or “Arabization” has caused the deaths and dislocation of thousands of Kurds and Christians in the Middle east. Arab/Muslim ethnic cleansing and enslavement of blacks is responsible for the unrest in the Sudan and Nigeria. Saudi-taught Muslim separatists are responsible for more than 1,700 deaths in Buddhist Thailand.
Why are these terrorists waging war against us? For the same reasons they wage war against most of the world’s population. Money, power, lebensraum.
Arab and muslim funded armies, like al Qaeda and like Hezbollah, help Arabs and Muslims reach their racist goals of a purely Arab/Muslim Middle East. That’s why they think the terrorists are like Robin Hood.
How to we get the Arabs to declare Jihad against Al-Qada, how do we get the Muslims to believe they go to heaven by fostering liberty and equality.
The facts above are proof that we never will be able to do that, and if we believe we can, we’re deluding ourselves. We failed the second half of Sun Tsu’s test.
We can only remove the “grip the Terrorists have over the people” by convincing them that terrorism will cause them more pain than gain. Begging them to love us just reinforces bad behavior. Democrats are arguing that we’re not begging enough.
Terrorists don’t need the suport of the common people when they have the support of wealthy politicians and businessmen. The main weakness in asymetric warfare is that, while the terrorists are well protected by secrecy and their civilian shields, their political and financial supporters are completely unprotected. Terrorists aren’t afraid of death, but politicians, oil shieks and bankers certainly are. Those are the people we should be targeting if we want to destroy the terrorist infrastructure and win the war.

Posted by: mary at September 7, 2006 at 6:26 pm

Please Mary,
Noone is arguing for begging to terrorists. But your response is wild and ranging and I guess right in line with current neo-con philosophy.
1,700 deaths in Thailand ??? How about that many in August in Iraq. We have to ask ourselves “is fighting the current way we are causing more problems or less”. Does the Muslim culture respond to violence by bringing divided warring parties (i.e. Al-Qada and Shia groups)together to fight a common foe.
I do not offer quarter to terrorists. Nor should our actions cause more to join their ranks. I would rather see surgical strikes with highly-trained highly motivated troops than large scale clubbings, without popular support, like we have in Iraq.
I hate to admit it but I feel the terrorist organizations like Al-Qada are stronger today than in 2001 and I feel support in the U.S. and support for the U.S. throughout the world is much lower and I think it’s because of Iraq.
It doesn’t matter if you kill 10,000 terrorists if they gain 20,000 more recruits from your actions. That’s what I meant by using the quote.
I hope you’re not getting angry, but I have the right to my view.

Posted by: dan the democrat at September 7, 2006 at 9:55 pm

your response is wild and ranging and I guess right in line with current neo-con philosophy.
No, it has very little to do with neo-con philosophy. A person can be in favor of military self defense without being a neo-con.
1,700 deaths in Thailand ??? How about that many in August in Iraq.
Did 1,700 people die in the month of August in Iraq?
Why did a mention of Thailand prompt a response about Iraq? Are you confused when confronted with Muslim violence that has nothing to do with American foreign policy? That’s too bad, because there’s an awful lot of it out there.
I hate to admit it but I feel the terrorist organizations like Al-Qada are stronger today than in 2001 and I feel support in the U.S. and support for the U.S. throughout the world is much lower and I think it’s because of Iraq.
Al Qaeda is stronger today because their Islamist supporters are wealthier.
I don’t believe that the war in Iraq had all that much to do with fighting terrorism, although it was marketed to the American public as part of the war on terrorism. According to Dick Cheney, it was fought in order to keep Saddam and his potential for WMD’s from upsetting the balance of power in the Middle East. In short, we fought the war in Iraq to maintain stability in the Middle East, a stability that would be maintained by our ‘moderate friends’ in Saudi Arabia.
You know, those moderate friends who paid for 9/11.
Of course, things didn’t work out as planned. Most of the suicide bombers in Iraq are Saudis who were encouraged to join the jihad by our moderate friends in the KSA government.
If you want to criticize the war in Iraq, that’s fine, but when you do, you’re criticizing a foreign policy that has always been based on the quest for stability in the Middle East and kissing Saudi ass. That policy never changes, no matter who is in power, Democrats or Republicans. It has very little to do with the war on terrorism.
It doesn’t matter if you kill 10,000 terrorists if they gain 20,000 more recruits from your actions. That’s what I meant by using the quote.
Al Qaeda gained 20,000 recruits before 9/11, during a time of peace. Terrorists aren’t motivated by revenge, they’re motivated by the hope of gaining political power. As long as they have that hope, and as long as we remain convinced that they’re invincible, they will be.

Posted by: mary at September 7, 2006 at 10:47 pm

So this web site lists the reasons the left hates America.
When I see a photo on that site with the caption “It’s not about the oil” and it shows a squadron of fighters flying over burning oil fields, it’s either criticism or satire.
Then there’s the links to Democracy Now and Move On. Not enough to convict, mind you, but it does make one go “hmmmm.”

Posted by: Shawn at September 7, 2006 at 10:48 pm

‘They’ and ‘Us’ are not specified in the site. ‘They’ could include all the other countries in the world the US has alienated with arrogant go-it-alone policies.
Also, there’s nearly 150 images. Some will make more sense than others.

Posted by: Someone at September 8, 2006 at 3:20 am

“Why They Hate Us” = “Why Some of us Hate the U.S.”

Posted by: Jeremayakovka at September 8, 2006 at 3:29 am

Mary you win, good job. Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror. ~2,700 U.S. Troops killed and ~20,000 wounded; nothing to do with the war on terror……damn. 63% more than were killed in Thailand. There have been probably over 100,000 Iraqi deaths since the start of the Iraqi war probably about 58x the number killed in Thailand (but the gov’t doesn’t keep track).
You telling me all those people died and it had NOTHING to do with the war on terror???!!!??? So what you’re saying is the U.S. gov’t is worse than the Muslim extremists in Thailand. Got it.
Get a clue.

Posted by: dan the democrat at September 8, 2006 at 9:15 am

Jake I hear ya man. He’s invoking the Muslim right wing to fight. Not to disimilar to the way the Republicans challenge everyones Patriotism

danno, your momma drank lots and lots of lead paint while carrying you? No chasers either – straight from the can.

Posted by: Radical Redneck at September 8, 2006 at 10:30 am

Do u call your Uncle daddy ?

Posted by: dan the Democrat at September 8, 2006 at 11:24 am

You telling me all those people died and it had NOTHING to do with the war on terror???!!!??? So what you’re saying is the U.S. gov’t is worse than the Muslim extremists in Thailand. Got it.
No, I’m saying that our government’s primary goals are to keep the world’s oil supply flowing and to maintain stability in the Middle East.
I don’t agree with the way they’re pursuing those goals (allying with the KSA, using the Sauds as a ‘moderating’ force), but they are reasonable goals. I don’t see how this could be considered “worse than the Muslim extremists in Thailand”.

Posted by: mary at September 8, 2006 at 12:04 pm

Iraq is supposed to be part of the war on terror. If it’s not then the Bush administration/U.S. started a war on false pretense and the “why they hate us crowd” is kinda right.
I truly think the administration believes they were fighting terror by invading Iraq but unfortunately the idea wasn’t properly delivered. That was a key blunder by the Rummy crew. Now U.S. troops are fighting a guerilla war that is losing support at home and never had it abroad.
If the war was about oil and stability it has failed miserably on both counts thus far.

Posted by: dan the Democrat at September 8, 2006 at 12:23 pm

Mary, we keep this up I’m gonna have to take it over to your blog. lol.
Thanks for the spirited discussion (seriously).

Posted by: dan the Democrat at September 8, 2006 at 12:24 pm

Funny, Dan’s a “Democrat” (I still don’t entirely believe it) who used to be a Republican and, I believe, Mary is a Republican who used to be a Democrat….

Posted by: Karol at September 8, 2006 at 12:34 pm

Do u call your Uncle daddy?

No. Unlike you I know who my father is.
Don’t worry – after your parents divorce they will remain brother and sister.
Learn shame – you desperately need it.

Posted by: Radical Redneck at September 8, 2006 at 1:32 pm

Take your own advice chump. I see that inbred comment got you, a little close to home..hahaha.
Radical dat U bubba?

Posted by: dan the Democrat at September 8, 2006 at 2:01 pm

Funny, Dan’s a “Democrat” (I still don’t entirely believe it) who used to be a Republican and, I believe, Mary is a Republican who used to be a Democrat….
I’ve always been an independent but I used to vote for Democrats. After 9/11 I started voting Republican. I’ll probably keep doing that, especially if Giuliani runs in 2008..

Posted by: mary at September 8, 2006 at 9:33 pm

This is how they say “Thank You”

If you’ve ever wondered why our Saudi allies attacked us on 9/11, if you’ve ever wondered why …

Posted by: Exit Zero at September 8, 2006 at 10:37 pm

Hipster site? Oh, it is so on.

Posted by: Charles at September 8, 2006 at 10:55 pm

Hahah, gosh that took awhile. :-)

Posted by: Karol at September 8, 2006 at 11:02 pm

This is how they say “Thank You”

If you’ve ever wondered why Saudi-funded Islamists attacked us on 9/11, if you’ve ever wondered why th…

Posted by: Dean's World at September 9, 2006 at 8:04 am

Yeah, sorry. Wasn’t reading blogs on the honeymoon.

Posted by: Charles at September 9, 2006 at 9:37 am

Sorry this is a late comment, I’ve been a little busy. I think another reason why OBL hates the US is because (as Mary stated) they insure the flow of oil. To do this, they have secured the lineage of the Saud family. The Bin Laden family is #2 and could possibly take over Saudi if not for the US. I doubt OBL would get his theocracy, because even his family would probably want it toned down.

Posted by: bryan at September 10, 2006 at 5:50 pm

I think “They” means the rest of the world, not just the terrorists. Our waste, our arrogance, our insensitivity. I read the images as metaphors, not (always) to be taken literally. // I’m an american living temporarily in Canada – and while you may have heard about the US troops accidentally gunning down the Canadan troops, what you probably didn’t hear is that the next day Bush accused Canada of “breeding terrorists”. It was on the front page of the papers here. This kind of of insensitivity and arrogance is alienating our country from the rest of the world. Unfortunately they have lots of reasons to hate us. Things are certainly not going to improve if the only response is name calling (”hipsters”) and general, myopic condemnation. Instead I suggest you participate by labeling photos whytheyhateus on flickr. This is a democracy after all – at least in theory.

Posted by: Joseph at September 10, 2006 at 5:56 pm

Joseph,
I agree with some of what you said but America is held to a much higher standard than any other country around the world.
I do not think America, as a whole, is insensitive, arrogant or wasteful. I think America was wounded from 9/11 and instead of striking directly at the problem or foe, swung widely about and damaged relations with much of her “Allies”. That would be a typical reaction given that America felt it was in the position of never being in danger.

Posted by: dan the Democrat at September 11, 2006 at 8:58 am

One thing…………… Fuck Saudi Arabia.All of the problems in the world are from that dump shit.God Bless the USA forever and Saudi Arabia and fucking saudis you can go to hell.

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