“His [Clinton's] policies are responsible for killing more Iraqis that George Bush.”
Longer Sheehan post coming up.
Posted by Karol at 01:35 PM
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That is interesting. She said he wanted to be a priest, he wanted to be a school teacher. He also said that they told him when he got to boot camp that priest and medic was full. Except you usually know what you will do before you even join and they never change your MOS.
My Bs detector was just going crazy reading that.
Cindy Sheehan Quotes you’ll never see in the MSM:
And about Bill Clinton . . . . You know, I really think he should have been impeached, but not for a blow job. His policies are responsible for killing more Iraqis that George Bush. I don’t understand why…
…not to mention that he reenlisted!
The woman is obviously mentally ill and needs to be confined to a home before she hurts herself or somebody else.
Now Cindy’s 15 minutes of fame is definitely over. The left will shun her, MSM will bury her. Poor delusional Cindy.
I stopped reading when she said “he was a virgin when he died”
And apparently his mom thinks he is so stupid, that not only were the chaplains asst’s positions filled, but he re-enlisted, only to find they were filled again? Of all the rotten luck!
These anti-war activists must think everyone in the military is a complete imbecile and needs the liberals to think for them.
The truly scary thing is that y’all believe this interview was real.
This is Counterpunch, people.
Alexander Cockburn, and friends, are pulling a few legs here me thinks.
My BS METER is working overtime. ;-D
Count me in the Skeptical Camp. ;-D
“Now Cindy’s 15 minutes of fame is definitely over. The left will shun her, MSM will bury her. Poor delusional Cindy.”
You couldn’t be more wrong, because the media will never report this. No one will ever hear about it.
It’s pretty clear to see that this poor wonman is drowning in her own grief. It has cost her everything, including the rest of her family.
Shame on the antiwar movement and the media for exploiting her tragedy. They’re treating her like a carnival act, and when it’s all over she’ll be all alone.
usefull idiot. If he enlisted to be a chaplains assistant he would have been a chaplains assistant. They dont tell you at BCT “oh by the way, you’ll be working on Humvees.
Cindy Sheehan Said What?
“And about Bill Clinton . . . . You know, I really think he should have been impeached, but not for a blow job. His policies are responsible for killing more Iraqis that George Bush.” — Cindy Sheehan
(Hattip: Instapunditt/Alarming N…
…and of course Instaplundit jumped on this and claims we will hear very little of this because–well, you know–the Left controls the media etc etc..Fact is, Cindy doesn’t tell how it is that Clionton killed more Iraquis than the two Bushies.
And I am surprised Cockburn didn’t get in his usual dig at Zionist elements etc etc
I’m a democrat/independent, and I never have a real problem with people who tell the truth. Sanctions in Iraq did some real damage, as has depleted uranium. I support Cindy Sheehan and I always have and I always will.
…can I now say, “C’mon, baby, Too Rai Yay!”
As Arthur, King of the Britains once intoned in response to the Black Knight, “You’re a loony!”
why should [she] be tarred with the epithet ‘loony’ merely because she has a pet prawn – er – peeve?
Tyranny of Copyright Part XII – No copies needed.
Plenty of sites now referencing the latest Cindy Sheehan ramblings that Clinton’s policies “are responsible for killing more Iraqis that George Bush.” But before she spewed that particualr bit of wisdom, her interviewer admitted this interesting little…
She also needs a calculator. She claims that her son died exactly 35 years after MLK; in fact it was 36 years.
You can’t still be talking about sanctions?!? Not after the investigation about Oil for Food demonstrated that billions were siphoned off!
The poor Iraqi people were victimized by Saddam (and those who conspired with him in Oil for Food) via the “sanctions” and the deaths were on his head, not Clinton’s.
Well, as far as instapundit is concerned, how widely reported this interview is measurable, no? Maybe you (Nate) can keep track of who in the MSM reports it. And I don’t see where the instapundit makes any remarks about “this because–well, you know–the Left controls the media etc”. Maybe you could point that part out to us.
Yes, sanctions did real damage. It’s tough to build lots and lots of mansions, and bank money like Bill Gates AND feed little kids. Tough decisions have to be made. And yep, depleted uranium did some serious damage to Iraqi tanks, troops, etc. But that’s probably not what your talking about. As bad as you think the sanctions and depleted uranium was, you should really devote your outrage to the massive amount of damage dihydrogen monoxide causes every year. Literally thousands of deaths. http://www.dhmo.org/
My God. And I think Anne johnson is just the kind of person to bring this vastly under reported menence to the light of day. I know both Bush and Cheney mess with this stuff every day. I also know Bushhitler is responsible for reintroducing this deadly substance into the peaceful former marsh dwelling Iraqi people. Most of the Sheehan supporters have less than a passing familiarity with this substance. Fight the power! See you at the protest!!
My God. And I think Anne johnson is just the kind of person to bring this vastly under reported menence to the light of day. I know both Bush and Cheney mess with this stuff every day.
They’re practically swimming in the stuff.
Ahh the sanctions. Yes we can still be talking about the sanctions. We ought to talk about the sanctions a lot more, you rarely hear about them these days. But they were a key factor in this whole conflict we live with – not just Iraq but this whole global Jihad/clash of civilizations, Neo-con vs. Liberal, Unilateralist vs. the U.N., Rumsfeld vs. Old Europe nonsense that blights our bloody world.
Read Osama’s original Fatwahs declaring Jihad on the U.S.. they are full of all sorts of grievances, (e.g., Bosnia, E. Timor, Chechnya, Kashmir, Somalia etc. etc. etc.) but if you try to determine the top 3, they would be:
1) U.S. Troops in The Holy Land (Saudi Arabia, he never acknowledges that they were there to contain Saddam)
2)U.S. support for Israel and
3)The Iraqi Sanctions (which he claimed were killing millions of Iraqi babies).
The sanctions did cause much misery but the Baathist propaganda machine scored a huge, decade-long success in exaggerating the numbers and twisting the blame and spreading this idea throughout the Islamic world to fuel the hatred of the West and the U.S. and convince young unemployed men from Amsterdam to Morrocco to Malaysia to support or join the terrorists to fight the infidels who were waging a cruel war against innocent Muslims (like Saddam!) all over the world. We’re talking major root cause.
Interestingly enough, the fringe Left-wingers, the Medea Benjamin / alt weekly / campus revolutionary types, spent a good portion of the Nineties echoing and building on the Baathists propaganda about the sanctions. (I do not want to tar ordinary Liberals here, though I wouldn’t mind scolding them for sometimes allowing their shared hatred of Bush to blur their judgement and indulge people like Sheehan who are obviously irresponsible extremeists). As a nominal righty, I am not a fan at all of Madeline Albright. But as much as I dislike her, I feel sorry for the way that she was villified by the Pacifica Radio/Znet loonies as consciously supporting mass starvation. Now Sheehan is accusing Clinton of genocide in Iraq, the same way Voices in the Wilderness did for a decade (and the way Noam Chomsky did when Clinton bombed Sudan, you don’t hear much from Noam about Sudan, now that there is a real Genocide going on).
It doesn’t matter what bin Laden says about the Jihad. All of his bluster is just propaganda. Jihad has been espoused since the beginning of Islam for any myriad reasons. Everything from Jews in the Hold Land (which is also their Holy Land), Christians taking back Spain, the Crusades, etc. bin Laden is just another in a long string of “leaders” who use their “victimization” to excuse violence. If it wasn’t for the reasons he put out they would find others.
1) The most casual Internet search will show that Bin Ladin gave a series of interviews to US TV networks in 1998 and that he repeatedly three main reasons for an Islamic Jihad against the US. See http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/interview.html and http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm and http://www.southernct.edu/~seymour/cases/terror/binspks.htm
The reasons were:
a) The US government’s causing the deaths of more than “600,000 children” in Iraq during the 1990s via sanctions
b) US military support for the corrupt dictatorships of Saudi Arabia –done so that US oil companies could take the wealth of Saudi Arabia with the royalties flowing to US puppets and little to nothing flowing to the Saudi people
c) Massive US military support for Israeli killing of Muslim Palestinians and Israeli taking of Palestinian land
NOTE that all of the above information was in the archives of the TV networks — but the networks concealed the information from the American public after Sept 11
2) In regard to reason (a), US air raids in the early 1990s destroyed Iraq’s water plants. US sanctions prohibited the Iraqi import of water purification materials, resulting in massive number of deaths from people having to drink polluted water and dying from cholera, typhoid, infectious hepatitis, dysentery, and other diarrheal diseases.
A rather cruel way to encourage Iraqi rebellion against Hussein. The Physicians for Human Rights estimated in 1991 that over 69,000 children /year were likely to die as a result — see http://www.phrusa.org/research/health_effects/humiraq.html . The Red Cross confirmed in 1999 that the death toll among young children had more than doubled in the 1990s due to polluted water and malnutrition. See
Yet almost nothing about this was shown to the American public by our deceitful TV networks –who lie as much by what they conceal as by what they say.
As does President Bush. NOTE how Bush’s comment that we were not occuping Iraq before Sept 11 — and hence Iraq provided Al Qaeda with no grievance — was DECEITFUL in the extreme given that he deliberately omitted mentioning the massive devastation levied on Iraqi Muslims by the Clinton Administration in the decade prior to Sept 11.
Ronan Sheehan & Clinton
So, Cindy Sheehan thinks Bill Clinton was a bigger mass-murderer than George W. Bush.
I’m sorry, Cindy who?
Carol has more to say
On the surface Sheehan’s comments are accurately reported, in answer to Kiril’s comments. To some of the other posters, clearly an increase in science education would be beneficial.
A comment on DU (depleted uranium) was made, I refer folks to the 2002 WHO fact sheet http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/index.html.
Additionally, the impact of sanctions on Iraq claiming to be repsonsible for up to 600,000 deaths is specious. Even the dubious Middle East Report can account for only a modest rise in the overall death rate through 1997. Hardly 600,000 civilians. The fault lies with a regime which acted in its own self interests and in collusion with a corrupt UN administration.
Now here’s the rub, if you choose to state that these sources are unreliable, fraught with errors or simply lying, then that is your choice. You will then need to admit to yourself that there is no information available, anywhere that is trustworthy. Thus you can never agree on the facts of a case. Consequently, your points are moot and simply opinion.
Much like all of Sheehan’s comments. A pity her son can’t challenge her assertions.
“She also needs a calculator. She claims that her son died exactly 35 years after MLK; in fact it was 36 years.”
Probably a product of public education!
She may well be right here, although I can’t figure out how, but she is still an anti-American loony who is in love with Michael Moore, Hugo Chavez, and other America-haters.
Still, I am concerned for Cindy now. We know what the Clintons are capable of.
But Hillary did vote for the war, if I recall correctly, so that could put her on Cindy’s you-know-what list.
Still, somehow I suspect that this is just Sheehan’s convoluted, insane way of trying to say that Bush is so incompetent that he went to war and wasn’t even able to kill anyone (except her son, of course.)
By the ‘08 elections “Cindy Sheehan” will be but an answer in Trivial Pursuit: Master Edition and few will get it right.
Hillary’s already on Cindy’s you-know-what list and has been for a while. She has denounced Hillary loudly and publicly. Strangely, the media suddenly decided that Cindy’s 15 minutes were up about the time she started doing this. Pure coincidence, I’m sure.
I love this idiot Sheehan. The more she runs her mouth the harder it will be for the Democrats to be taken seriously.
The extreme wing of the Democrat party does not like Hillary, but they embrace the rhetoric of Howard Dean, again the more they (Cindy and Howard) talk the more mainstream people in America will see how crazy they are.
Re Citizen Deux’s comment “Additionally, the impact of sanctions on Iraq claiming to be repsonsible for up to 600,000 deaths is specious. Even the dubious Middle East Report can account for only a modest rise in the overall death rate through 1997. Hardly 600,000 civilians. ”
The RED CROSS report which I cited explicitly noted that 500,000 Iraqi children died during the sanctions period and that the death rate more than doubled from what it had been before the Gulf War and imposition of sanctions.
Again, look at their report:
“It is the weakest and most vulnerable who suffer from sanctions — young children, pregnant women, the elderly, and people with chronic diseases.
According to a UN Children’s Fund (UNICEF) survey published in August 1999 (Reference number CF/DOC/PR/1999/29),infant mortality in most of Iraq has more than doubled in the nine years since UN sanctions were imposed. In central and southern Iraq, home to 85 percent of the population, the death rate for children under five rose from 56 per 1,000 live births in the period 1984-9 to 131 per 1,000 in 1994-9.
The survey, which was prepared with the Iraqi government and the World Health Organization, did not specifically blame trade sanctions for the crisis which has seen some 500,000 Iraqi children die since the Gulf war. As for the autonomous Kurdish territory of northern Iraq, the survey found that deaths among children under five had dropped from 80 deaths per 1,000 live births in 1984-9 to 72 deaths per 1,000 live births between 1994 and 1999 (after having risen to 90 per 1,000 in 1990-4)(The UNICEF executive director who wrote the report attributed this discrepany to the large amount of international aid pumped into northern Iraq at the end of the war; in contrast humanitarian assistance began to reach central and southern Iraq only after April 1996, when Iraq agreed to the terms of the UN oil-for-food programme.).
For the first time in decades, diarrhoea has reappeared as the major killer of children. The highly specialized Iraqi doctors are now faced with third-world health problems — malnutrition, diphtheria, cholera — which they were not trained to handle.
According to UNICEF statistics from November 1997, a third of all children under five are chronically malnourished (UNICEF statistics (Multiple Indicator Cluster Survey (MICS) carried out by Iraq’s Central Statistical Organization) from November 1997 showed that 32% of Iraqi children under the age of five were chronically malnourished.). This represents a 72% rise since 1991. Results from a nutritional survey of 15,000 children of the age of five, conducted by the Iraqi Ministry of Health together with UNHCR and WFP in May 1998, show that the level of malnutrition has stabilized since 1997, but that the situation is unlikely to improve substantially unless water and sanitation and other sectors receive larger financial input.
Given the gravity of the nutritional situation, in February 1999 the World Food Programme (WFP) launched a US$21 million appeal to help more than one million people in Iraq suffering from the effects of food shortages and poor water supply, including 200,000 acutely malnourished children (in particular the under-fives). These children have not had proper drinking water or sanitation since they were born.
2. Collapse of the public health system
Standards of care in hospitals and health centres have reached appalling levels, despite the doctors’ dedication and high qualifications.
Iraq’s 130 hospitals, many of them built by foreign companies in the 1960s-80s, have not received the necessary repairs or maintenance since the Gulf war, but above all since the imposition of sanctions. The buildings are in an advanced state of disrepair (cracked and leaking roofing, broken windows and doors, bulging floors), as are the hospital sewage works, the electricity and ventilation systems, the elevators. Expensive imported equipment, or even more basic items, are no longer being replaced.
Equally worrying is the state of the primary health centres, which serve the widest sector of the population. Public health in Iraq rests on the existence of over a thousand basic dispensaries covering the entire country and 84 intermediary health centres, which are in charge of coordination. The centres can not function properly owing to the shortage of equipment and material. They often lack the most basic tools such as stethoscopes, sterilizers and writing paper. The negative impact on the treatment received by patients, and hence on their health, is immense.
Standards of treatment are also falling as doctors can not keep their knowledge up to date. Hardly any medical literature has entered the country in the last ten years as the importation of scientific literature is prohibited under the embargo. During this time, Iraqi medical personnel has had few professional contacts with colleagues abroad. Psychiatrists, for example, have followed none of the developments of the last ten years in their field. Many young doctors and nurses have chosen to leave the country or to abandon the medical profession. As a result, standards of training have also fallen.
3. The water problem
Another major threat to the health of the population is the quality of the drinking water. The Gulf war severely damaged Iraq’s infrastructure, interrupting the power supply and consequently the operation of pumping and treatment facilities. Since then, money and spare parts have not been available to repair sewage works and purification plants, which are often working at reduced capacity, or not at all. This has led to an overall deterioration in the quality and quantity of drinking water and the rapid spread of infectious diseases, such as cholera.
A UNICEF/government of Iraq survey in 1997 on the availability of water and sewage systems reported that more than half of the rural population did not have adequate access to clean drinking water, while for sewage disposal some 30% of the total population, predominantly in rural areas, were without adequate services. Much of the waste is discharged directly into rivers and streams, so that much of the water supplied is contaminated or below acceptable standards.
The low availability of power, averaging 50% in rural areas, frequent cuts and unstable supply place an additional strain on the installed electrical equipment. This, added to the fact that the chemicals used to purify the water contain around 30 times more impurities than before the embargo, leads to premature deterioration of the equipment, which subsequently requires more maintenance. “
Cindy Sheehan is one of the most brilliant people of the 21st century.
That damn Clinton monster
Mama moonbat Cindy Sheehan on Bill Clinton:
And about Bill Clinton . . . . You know, I really think he should have been impeached, but not for a blow job. His policies are responsible for killing more Iraqis that George Bush. I don’t understand w…
Don, concur that the issue of early childhood illnesses is significant, globally (not just in Iraq). The issue of the impact on sanctions is specious is due to the fact that even the WHO and UNICEF studies admitted that their reporting was unverified and extrapolated from local segment reporting.
Hussein channeled funds away from his population to his own coffers and military operation. Those choices, made inside Iraq, are the cause of any additional suffering.
You can’t be 61308 serious?!?